When you decide to create a podcast, you have to start somewhere. We've been calling this episode The First Pancake because this is where we started. We didn't want to subject a guest to all of our awkward, beginner-ness so we interviewed each other. This was our mock-up episode, we used it to work out our tech issues, audio quality, music, editing and format. We were planning to shelve it, you know the way you do with old sketches, jigs and models. But then we changed our minds and thought, hey—you guys might actually want to know a little more about us, why we're doing this, and what the process has been like. So we brought it back, and shined it up.

Left: Jaime Derringer / Right: Amy Devers

Jaime tells Amy all about how she grew up in South Jersey, spending summers on the Jersey shore, and spending the formative years cultivating her love of modern design in furniture stores.

She shares the backstory, trials and tribulations of running a media empire that includes Design Milk, Adorn Milk and Dog Milk. She also talks candidly about how she suffers from perfectionism, which she believes is a "sort-of disorder". She's even written an article about it. And, as an artist, she finds creating art is therapeutic in many ways, and has helped her overcome her desire for this "unattainable perfection."

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Amy shares with Jaime the the somewhat circuitous path that led her to study furniture design at San Diego State University and Rhode Island School of design.

She tells the story of how she fell into show business, and talks about some of the shows she's hosted and the highlights she’s encountered along the way.

And she reluctantly divulges the origin of her childhood nickname, Schneider.

Amy Devers lives up to the Schneider nickname on the set of *Fix This Yard* (Photo by Emily Shur)

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Special thanks to Chris Modl of Yore Studio for editing this episode.
Music in this episode courtesy of El Ten Eleven—hear more on Bandcamp.
Shoutout to Jenny Rask for designing the Clever logo.

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