When you decide to create a podcast, you have to start somewhere. We've been calling this episode The First Pancake because this is where we started. We didn't want to subject a guest to all of our awkward, beginner-ness so we interviewed each other. This was our mock-up episode, we used it to work out our tech issues, audio quality, music, editing and format. We were planning to shelve it, you know the way you do with old sketches, jigs and models. But then we changed our minds and thought, hey—you guys might actually want to know a little more about us, why we're doing this, and what the process has been like. So we brought it back, and shined it up.

You might remember Genevieve Gorder from TLC's hit makeover show, Trading Spaces. Since then, she's done A LOT—from TV and products to starting a family and dealing with divorce—it's impossible to cover it all in under an hour, but we're pretty sure we got to all the good parts.This episode is chock full of good advice, incredible stories (um, can you say PRINCE?), and candid divorce talk. We learn a lot about her—how she's a natural caregiver, a lioness mama, and a choreographer of design.

We couldn't be more thrilled that Joe Doucet is our very first guest. This NY-based designer is articulate, incredibly talented, and humble. We loved chatting with him about growing up in a small Texas town, designing from a place of naiveté, and we even found out that he also suffers from the ever-so-common imposter syndrome.

We, and by we I mean Amy Devers and Jaime Derringer, are super excited to announce that we are launching Clever soon! In each episode of Clever, we will have a candid and revealing conversation with one of the super-smart people who are shaping the world around us through design. We've already got a few episodes in the can so we created a little Preview to whet your appetite.